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	<title>Comments on: Dispatches from the North: Lest We Forget</title>
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		<title>By: Guy Renner-Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy Renner-Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the reason armistice day is so much more prominent in the UK than in the US is because it seems that is the only time we are able to respect the armed forces, in the US there is this culture of respect which we sadly don&#039;t have in the UK due to the recent Iraq and Afghan wars. You also have all that flag waving and &#039;pledge of allegiance&#039; stuff in schools.

We can never forget the Great War, Briton lost 800,000 men and another 200,000 from the Imperial family. Even the smallest village has a war memorial commemorating the lost generation of young men, then there was double or triple that number again wounded for life. 20,000+ men lost in single battles, the beginning of the end of the Empire, the war which redrew the map all over the globe. It truly was the Great War, WWII seems more important in the US but the first war had a huge impact on Britain. 

You should also mention the grave of the Unknown Warrior at Westminster Abby and the Cenotaph in London.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the reason armistice day is so much more prominent in the UK than in the US is because it seems that is the only time we are able to respect the armed forces, in the US there is this culture of respect which we sadly don&#8217;t have in the UK due to the recent Iraq and Afghan wars. You also have all that flag waving and &#8216;pledge of allegiance&#8217; stuff in schools.</p>
<p>We can never forget the Great War, Briton lost 800,000 men and another 200,000 from the Imperial family. Even the smallest village has a war memorial commemorating the lost generation of young men, then there was double or triple that number again wounded for life. 20,000+ men lost in single battles, the beginning of the end of the Empire, the war which redrew the map all over the globe. It truly was the Great War, WWII seems more important in the US but the first war had a huge impact on Britain. </p>
<p>You should also mention the grave of the Unknown Warrior at Westminster Abby and the Cenotaph in London.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t mean to suggest that people remember those who have died in war because of the economy. I was only pointing out that the devastating effects of the war are still very relevant to present day Hartlepudlians. I suppose its a matter of frame of reference, in the US the war was a profitable time for America so I thought it was important to point out that it wasn&#039;t a boom time for everyone fighting on our side. I think it does serve as a reminder though, buildings can be rebuilt and the generations that lived through the wars aren&#039;t going to be on this earth forever, but the way the wars have reshaped the livelihood of the people in this town is something that still effects generations of children who weren&#039;t even born during WWII. Its just not something we see in the US, it seems like another time and place to most Americans, but here it is still very real and it isn&#039;t necessarily about money but how war has altered the way of life for the people of this town.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t mean to suggest that people remember those who have died in war because of the economy. I was only pointing out that the devastating effects of the war are still very relevant to present day Hartlepudlians. I suppose its a matter of frame of reference, in the US the war was a profitable time for America so I thought it was important to point out that it wasn&#8217;t a boom time for everyone fighting on our side. I think it does serve as a reminder though, buildings can be rebuilt and the generations that lived through the wars aren&#8217;t going to be on this earth forever, but the way the wars have reshaped the livelihood of the people in this town is something that still effects generations of children who weren&#8217;t even born during WWII. Its just not something we see in the US, it seems like another time and place to most Americans, but here it is still very real and it isn&#8217;t necessarily about money but how war has altered the way of life for the people of this town.</p>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with pretty much everything you&#039;ve said here- I was taught in primary school that Armistice Day (or Remembrance Day) was the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, and every year we have a minute&#039;s silence at 11 o&#039;clock, as well as the minute&#039;s silence on the Remembrance Sunday services if you happen to go (I was in the Guiding Association for most of my life so I did). I like that everyone on TV and in politics wears a poppy for the month before; it keeps it acknowledged and important, which it should be. There is at least one monument in every town in the UK with the names of the soldiers who died in battle who were from that town, and every single town has a service, puts wreaths on the monument, has important figures from the town there (the mayor, etc) as well as veterans. 

I think it is so, so important, that we remember, and that we keep remembering. So that we honour those that died to keep us safe, and fought for us. I heard this poem at a Remembrance Sunday service this year and got a bit teary:

&quot;They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old: 
Age shall not weary them, nor the years contemn. 
At the going down of the sun and in the morning 
We will remember them.&quot;

That&#039;s my favourite bit of the poem. 
Sorry, I got a bit over-emotional there and went on a bit. I am very interested in this topic so I&#039;m afraid I ramble. Just take it as a compliment that I am so interested in your post that I&#039;m typing all this! The one thing I would dispute about your post, though, is the mention of the economy and that being the reason why we take so much notice of Remembrance Day. I really think economics are not the issue. People don&#039;t remember it because they are still poor and their areas are still seeing the effects, they remember it because they have been told, since they were old enough to go to school, about the meaning of Remembrance Day, the importance of it, and they are taught about the First and Second World Wars several times through school. Then there are so many TV history programmes about it still, parents tell you about it, poppies are sold and seen everywhere, and even comedy programmes like Blackadder show their respects when they bring it up (the end sequence of the last episode of that made me cry). I also went to Omaha Beach, and the sheer scale of the graveyard there from that one battle is astounding.

World War I and II are still extremely in the public consciousness, and it&#039;s because of all I have just said, as well as the fact that during WWII in particular we were attacked &lt;i&gt;in our own country&lt;/i&gt;, they actually came into Britain, and so it was much more immediate and real and important, and when we were all fighting the Nazis it was absolutely vital that we did not lose. WWII affected everyone in the country- not just soldiers, but ordinary people all joined the Home Guard, the Land Girls, who took over from farmers who became soldiers, the RAF and WAAF, became air raid wardens, fire fighters, worked in munitions factories children were evacuated, every house had a bomb shelter or access to a public shelter, food and everything else was rationed until the 50s, and the country became poorer and poorer battling to win this war. Can you imagine having to hide in the Anderson shelter in the middle of the night as you listened to planes flying overhead and bombs falling? The war affected everyone and everything. There are so many books, TV programmes, etc, about it that we know how hard it was, how determinedly we had to fight, and how awful the consequences would be if we stopped. But we won (not just the British, I mean all the Allied forces and EVERYONE), and we are free and British (and others, again) because of it.

I think that is why we remember and repect the people who fought for us. Not because of the economic reminder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with pretty much everything you&#8217;ve said here- I was taught in primary school that Armistice Day (or Remembrance Day) was the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, and every year we have a minute&#8217;s silence at 11 o&#8217;clock, as well as the minute&#8217;s silence on the Remembrance Sunday services if you happen to go (I was in the Guiding Association for most of my life so I did). I like that everyone on TV and in politics wears a poppy for the month before; it keeps it acknowledged and important, which it should be. There is at least one monument in every town in the UK with the names of the soldiers who died in battle who were from that town, and every single town has a service, puts wreaths on the monument, has important figures from the town there (the mayor, etc) as well as veterans. </p>
<p>I think it is so, so important, that we remember, and that we keep remembering. So that we honour those that died to keep us safe, and fought for us. I heard this poem at a Remembrance Sunday service this year and got a bit teary:</p>
<p>&#8220;They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:<br />
Age shall not weary them, nor the years contemn.<br />
At the going down of the sun and in the morning<br />
We will remember them.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my favourite bit of the poem.<br />
Sorry, I got a bit over-emotional there and went on a bit. I am very interested in this topic so I&#8217;m afraid I ramble. Just take it as a compliment that I am so interested in your post that I&#8217;m typing all this! The one thing I would dispute about your post, though, is the mention of the economy and that being the reason why we take so much notice of Remembrance Day. I really think economics are not the issue. People don&#8217;t remember it because they are still poor and their areas are still seeing the effects, they remember it because they have been told, since they were old enough to go to school, about the meaning of Remembrance Day, the importance of it, and they are taught about the First and Second World Wars several times through school. Then there are so many TV history programmes about it still, parents tell you about it, poppies are sold and seen everywhere, and even comedy programmes like Blackadder show their respects when they bring it up (the end sequence of the last episode of that made me cry). I also went to Omaha Beach, and the sheer scale of the graveyard there from that one battle is astounding.</p>
<p>World War I and II are still extremely in the public consciousness, and it&#8217;s because of all I have just said, as well as the fact that during WWII in particular we were attacked <i>in our own country</i>, they actually came into Britain, and so it was much more immediate and real and important, and when we were all fighting the Nazis it was absolutely vital that we did not lose. WWII affected everyone in the country- not just soldiers, but ordinary people all joined the Home Guard, the Land Girls, who took over from farmers who became soldiers, the RAF and WAAF, became air raid wardens, fire fighters, worked in munitions factories children were evacuated, every house had a bomb shelter or access to a public shelter, food and everything else was rationed until the 50s, and the country became poorer and poorer battling to win this war. Can you imagine having to hide in the Anderson shelter in the middle of the night as you listened to planes flying overhead and bombs falling? The war affected everyone and everything. There are so many books, TV programmes, etc, about it that we know how hard it was, how determinedly we had to fight, and how awful the consequences would be if we stopped. But we won (not just the British, I mean all the Allied forces and EVERYONE), and we are free and British (and others, again) because of it.</p>
<p>I think that is why we remember and repect the people who fought for us. Not because of the economic reminder.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more. Our family really enjoyed the temporary WWII exhibit at the Museum of Hartlepool. War seems so distant to the average American; I can&#039;t imagine what life was like for the British during both World Wars. But it certainly explains why they honor their veterans in a much more sincere manner!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more. Our family really enjoyed the temporary WWII exhibit at the Museum of Hartlepool. War seems so distant to the average American; I can&#8217;t imagine what life was like for the British during both World Wars. But it certainly explains why they honor their veterans in a much more sincere manner!</p>
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